Curse

Coolniceronguy · Apr 01, 2006, 04:14 AM // 04:14

So after acquiring all skills for my Mesmer/Monk, I decided to go back earlier in the game and do my other secondary profession skill quests. However, I noticed a bug in the game. After completing a quest, you can go back and get your xp and skills. But if your secondary profession does not match, you only get the xp, not the skills, even after changing your secondary over to the one that does.

Regardless of whether my secondary matches or not, I strongly feel that I should be getting these skills. I would report this to ANet, but I am uncertain how to do that, hence I posted it here.

Matsumi · Apr 01, 2006, 04:35 AM // 04:35

If I read this right, I would think it's about not being able to go back and get all your skills after changing your secondary profession. If so, I have done this a few times also.

I recently changed my secondary profession of my mesmer, and thought I could go back and do all the little quests again that offer skills for completing them. Turned out that there were only a few quests I could get out of the begining and one from yaks bend that offered me skills. The rest I'm thinking I'll have to shell out 1k a piece for, which is kind of annoying. because I don't have that many skill points or cash to get them all.

Shadow X · Apr 01, 2006, 04:38 AM // 04:38

i have also noticed that. I had my W/E (don't asK) throughout the entire game. After i ascend I switched to monk, then realized alot of the quests that SHOULD give you skills from both my secondary and my primary professions weren't there, sometimes not even the items, just the xp.

Coolniceronguy · Apr 01, 2006, 04:41 AM // 04:41

When the secondary profession matches, you always get the skills. You can also start another quest, upon which the one you just finished is a prerequisite, EVEN when your secondary does not match.

Coolniceronguy · Apr 01, 2006, 04:42 AM // 04:42

Quote:

Originally Posted by Shadow X

i have also noticed that. I had my W/E (don't asK) throughout the entire game. After i ascend I switched to monk, then realized alot of the quests that SHOULD give you skills from both my secondary and my primary professions weren't there, sometimes not even the items, just the xp.

You need to change to the matching secondary to start. Then you can do all of them.

Matsumi · Apr 01, 2006, 04:59 AM // 04:59

Quote:

Originally Posted by Coolniceronguy

You need to change to the matching secondary to start. Then you can do all of them.

So, if I change back to my original secondary, then switch back again, I can do the quests?

Coolniceronguy · Apr 01, 2006, 05:22 AM // 05:22

Example:

I started as a mesmer/monk.

Acquired all skills for primary and secondary monk class. Did all secondary profession quests in desert.

Changed secondary to ranger. Talked to Master Ranger Nente to start the Char Patrol quest.

Change secondary to warrior. Complete Char Patrol quest. Receive xp but not skills for ranger. You can also start The Charr Staging Area(the prerequisite to which is The Char Patrol) even when your secondary is not ranger.

Winterclaw · Apr 01, 2006, 05:26 AM // 05:26

It would be nice if you could go back to the guy who gave you the quest to begin with and he'd just give you the skill seeing as how you completed the mission one... but alas.

Farming and XP scrolls will be your friend unless things change. :|

Coolniceronguy · Apr 01, 2006, 05:38 AM // 05:38

Quote:

Originally Posted by Winterclaw

It would be nice if you could go back to the guy who gave you the quest to begin with and he'd just give you the skill seeing as how you completed the mission one... but alas.

Farming and XP scrolls will be your friend unless things change. :|

I think your missing my point. If I were to change my secondary from warrior to ranger, THEN talk to Nente, I would receive the skills, but not if my secondary was warrior.

The whole point to doing a skills quest is to get the skills. Hence my firmly maintaining that Secondary Profession Skills quests earlier in the game are bugged.

Matsumi · Apr 01, 2006, 05:53 AM // 05:53

well, right, why would master ranger nente give you skills for his quest when he's a ranger and gives out ranger skills? If your secondary is warrior, then you would talk to the warrior npc hanging out outside ascalon city. It sort of goes back to the idea of the trainers in pre-searing, as a ranger, you run into these guys, and they give you skills in pre-searing. In post they still give you quests, and skills attached if they were once a trainer before the searing. As like Gazden the Protector or whatever, and the necromancer ones in sardalac. Am I still not understanding?

Coolniceronguy · Apr 01, 2006, 12:34 PM // 12:34

Just to update you guys. I went back with my warrior and acquired all the secondary skills with the quests. It can be done. But for someone who likes to change their secondary alot, you can get gipped out of the skills unless your secondary class matches with the quest reward.

frickett · Apr 01, 2006, 01:19 PM // 13:19

I dont think I would expect to get ranger skills when i am a mesmer/warrior.

Coolniceronguy · Apr 01, 2006, 01:33 PM // 13:33

Quote:

Originally Posted by frickett

I dont think I would expect to get ranger skills when i am a mesmer/warrior.

Would you expect to even be able to accept the quest reward, or start the follow up quest when your secondary does not even match?

Winterclaw · Apr 01, 2006, 05:17 PM // 17:17

*shrugs*

Until they change it, live and learn then. You finished the quest so you are due the reward. If you've changed classes since then, it's not the quest giver's fault. Contact Anet's support.

Coolniceronguy · Apr 06, 2006, 05:57 PM // 17:57

Well, just to update you guys on my efforts, I offer the following:

Customer (Ron Meints)04/05/2006 03:36 PM

I am quite certain I have discovered a number of bugs with the Secondary Profession Skills Quests.

A post that fairly well explains my experience with this issue:

http://www.guildwarsguru.com/forum/showthread.php?t=3003579

I am making this post/question with the hopes to get in contact with somebody in NC/ArenaNet to go over this issue, and hopefully rectify the problem.

Thank you for your attention.

Response (GM Zenersha)04/05/2006 05:31 PM

Hello Ron,

Thank you for contacting the Guild Wars Support team on this. I am a little unclear on what it is you are trying to report. Can you please give us a detailed summary of the issue that you would like us to look into?

If you are trying to say that when your secondary is, for example, a Ranger and you complete a quest that rewards Ranger skills, but change your profession to Warrior (or any other secondary) before turning in that quest and as a result do not receive the Ranger skills when you do turn it in, this issue is not a bug. The game is working as designed.

Please feel free to share your suggestions or feedback about any matter on the fansite forums listed at http://www.guildwars.com/community/fansites/. The game developers frequently check fansite message boards to obtain feedback and suggestions players may have concerning these types of issues.

However, if this is not what you are reporting, please respond in great detail and we will be more than happy to assist you.

Regards,
The Guild Wars Support Team

Customer (Ron Meints)04/05/2006 05:49 PM

Would you not expect to receive the skills when you change your secondary over to the other profession. That is the whole point to doing a skill quest, to get the skills, regardless if it presently your secondary or not. Additionally, the second follow-up quest(upon which the first is a pre-requisite) can be started while your secondary does not match the skill quest. This all seems quite strange to me, it would seem more natural that a person would either receive the skills(because you already have the other secondary, just not presently), or making it mandatory to having the secondary match when accepting the quest reward.

Response (GM Zenersha)04/06/2006 09:57 AM

Hello Ron,

Thank you for getting back to us with this additional information.

We appreciate you sharing your concerns with us on this potential issue. As previously stated, this issue is in fact not a bug, and that the game is working as designed. Even though you can continue and acquire any follow-up quests after the initial quest has been completed, that is, at this moment, by design.

I would again like to encourage you to please continue to share your suggestions, concerns, and/or feedback about this and any other matter on the fansite forums. The game developers frequently check fansite message boards to obtain feedback and suggestions players may have concerning these exact types of issues.

Please contact us if you need further assistance.

Thank you,
The Guild Wars Support Team

Customer (Ron Meints)04/06/2006 11:49 AM

Hmmm... well I may have incorrectly classified it as a bug. However, in my honest opinion, there is a flaw in the design. Not receiving skills in a skills quest goes against the spirit of a skill quest.

Anyways, I guess I'll just leave it at that. Thank you for responding to my inquiry, Zenersha.

Response (GM Bon)04/06/2006 12:06 PM

Hello Ron,

Thank you for contacting Guild Wars Support again. We are happy to have been of service in detailing the skills tree application for you. If however, you feel that this is a design flaw, you can always post a suggestion or feedback on fansite forum. This is one of the best ways to make sure that the developers see them.

In fact, discussing your suggestions on public message boards can often be more beneficial than directly contacting the Guild Wars team. We ask for players to share feedback or ideas on the message boards because the resulting discussions can quickly give us a broader perspective than one-on-one conversations.

Even though you may not receive a direct response to a post, the developers check the forums regularly, and this allows them to get a feel for the issues and features that are most important to the players.

Kind Regards,

The Guild Wars Support Team

]SK[ · Apr 07, 2006, 12:12 PM // 12:12

I can see both sides, but I think I agree more with ANET.

Asrial · Apr 07, 2006, 07:37 PM // 19:37

I agree that the game is working as intended. Take your time instead of trying to bam it all out at once.

Coolniceronguy · Apr 09, 2006, 06:01 AM // 06:01

While everyone is entitled to there opinion, I recommend to you people to do what I did, THEN you will be well qualified to have an opinion.

Asrial · Apr 09, 2006, 07:08 AM // 07:08

Why would I do it in a way that doesn't make sense and I would expect failure in doing?

Plenty of us have done the secondary change to nab the free quests.

Coolniceronguy · Apr 09, 2006, 07:46 AM // 07:46

That's my point, I did not fail at anything. A person later in the game has the option to change their secondary class, and that is exactly what I did. But doing so while completing skill quests earlier on in the game, results in a player not being granted skill rewards which they are entitled to.